17 July 2004 @ 12:36 pm
Wannabes  
I originally wrote this in my own journal, but I'm interested to see what other students think. We are all too familiar with people trying to fake their way into certain houses or people claiming to be of a certain house when it is clear they aren't. The question was originally brought up to me by [livejournal.com profile] rosiegalbasi. She asked:

I know you get people who say they are in the house but you know they really aren't. What type of people most often do this and how do you feel about it?

This answer is geared towards Gryffindor since I am one, but I am particularly interested in what other Gryffindors and Slytherins think since I'd argue those are the two houses people claim their part of most. Anyway, my original answer:

As a note before I begin, I realize that Slytherin faces some of the same exact problems with wannabes.

Well, I can say for certain it is not the Slytherin people doing this. Gryffindors and Slytherins are more than happy to embrace the house they really belong to. I'm not trying to get into Slytherin, and I'm sure Slytherins aren't trying to get into Gryffindor. I'm not saying that Ravenclaws and Hufflepuffs all really desire to be in Gryffindor. Rather, the majority of Gryffindor wannabes come from those that do not realize to which house they belong (and almost by default, I think most true Slytherins and Gryffindors have a feeling for where they belong). These readers cling to JK's view of the houses, and we all know where her biases lie. This bias helps the rush towards Gryffindor when you set it up as a juxtaposition of good vs evil. Through JK, Gryffindor comes to represent the side of good. Many people jump on the bandwagon simply to be on the side of good.

I've also heard people express desire to be in Gryffindor simply because "it is the house where all the cool stuff happens." It also happens to be the house of a lot of the major characters. People who are absolutely enamored with Harry are likely to cling to Gryffindor simply for that reason. While I cannot prove what people feel, I also believe there are readers that seek out Gryffindor house for acceptance and the hopes of appearing to have some of the positive Gryffindor traits (wish fulfillment). Declaring yourself a Gryffindor because it puts you on the side of good, "cool stuff" happens, JK lavishes most of her attention on the house, your favorite character is one, or because it would bring you the acceptance and traits you desire does not make you a Gryffindor. In fact, it annoys me.

When I first realized I was a Gryffindor, I almost regretted it. The regret came not from lack of house pride, but rather because I realized instantly that this meant sounding like scores of people claiming the same thing because they love Harry or something. I hate that I feel I need to almost prove that I really am one, rather than just a wannabe Gryffindor. I hate competing with these people! For example, if a really cool product is released, I am forced to fight for my Gryffindor item with those that don't belong! Ok, I know a bias exists in merchandise that has the other houses poorly represented, but even if there is a choice, non-Gryffindors buy the item to support the author, the house, or their favorite character, not because they are themselves really a Gryffindor. This competition is further increased by a group of people who choose Gryffindor items simply because it represents the entire series. There are readers who maintain a distance from the story I am unable to achieve. To these readers (the unattached), it is merely an enjoyable story, and there exists little desire to "sort" themselves into a house. Instead, when going to see one of the movies, etc, they express their interest in the series in general through Gryffindor. This, again, is a result of the JK bias.

The unattached readers aside, those claiming to be Gryffindor when they are not strike me as terribly deceitful, which is definitely not a Gryffindor trait. Perhaps being fake might get you certain places in life, but it will earn you no respect in Gryffindor house, and why would you want to be among people who don't respect you? Be proud of the house your personality puts you in!

Stop jumping on the bandwagon and get the hell out of my house!

- Padfoot, Gryffindor
 
 
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[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
I am interested to see what other people think now, and if this brings out any fake! hate. lol!
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[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:05 pm (UTC)
Or I may get a few ruffled feathers from Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff thinking I just claimed they all secretly desire to be a Gryffindor. lol.

Pointing and laughing is fun! lol! ^^
[identity profile] rosiegalbasi.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 12:49 pm (UTC)
Is that what I said? O.o I sound so eloquent. lol
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 12:51 pm (UTC)
LOL! You were having a very good night I guess. ^^
[identity profile] rosiegalbasi.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:11 pm (UTC)
lol Guess so.
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:14 pm (UTC)
Wait, I didn't mean to make that sound like you write like crap most of the time! Doh! lol! >
[identity profile] rosiegalbasi.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:26 pm (UTC)
LOL I know.
[identity profile] missambs.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:00 pm (UTC)
I'm not trying to get into Slytherin, and I'm sure Slytherins aren't trying to get into Gryffindor.

They're really not. *gigglecough*

But yeah, totally agreeing. A lot of people want to be in Slytherin because, the exact opposite of what you said for Gryffindor, it makes them think they're evil and therefore sexy and cool, which could be the case but most often isn't.

-- Ambs, Slytherin
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:03 pm (UTC)
and I'm sure you Slytherins find this just as annoying as I do! lol!
[identity profile] missambs.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:05 pm (UTC)
Oh, we do. At least I do. *giggles* I mean, the general misconception is that Slytherin equals evil and then suddenly all these wannabe-badass people are like, "I'm a Slytherin, I'm so evil! Wanna pet my snake?"

. . .

That sounded differently in my head.
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:08 pm (UTC)
And yet looks so hilarious in words! lol! I'm not even a Slytherin and the ultimate evil snake carrying Slytherins annoy me! >
[identity profile] rosiegalbasi.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:54 pm (UTC)
*dies*

And the teenygoths! So much fun.
[identity profile] kaguya.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 01:07 pm (UTC)
This was a good read and I agree with it. There are some people who I thought were trying too hard to get into a house, just because it was their favorite.


Ravenclaw Student

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_therunaway/ on July 17th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC)
simply put i agree

Katy // Gryffindor
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[identity profile] flightsofwhimsy.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:45 pm (UTC)
You know why I think people do that? Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw just don't get the credit they deserve. Loyal, hardworking, and intelligent just don't seem as glamorous as brave and cunning. It is a shame, but Gryffindor and Slytherin pride are just more widespread than the other houses. Maybe JKR should put more emphasis on the other houses and make people realize that Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw are AWESOME to be a part of.

Michelle
Hufflepuff
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:48 pm (UTC)
Ya know, I totally agree with you. I wish JK would put more emphasis on the "forgotten" houses. Not all of us are Slytherins or Gryffindors, nor does everyone want to be.
[identity profile] flightsofwhimsy.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC)
Well, to be honest, I used to really want to be a Gryffindor. But I got over that. Especially when I realized that the Hufflepuffs are really nice. Not to say that Gryffindors aren't.
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:56 pm (UTC)
My best friend is a Hufflepuff. It's a shame more people don't realize that being in Hufflepuff (or Ravenclaw) is never a bad thing! Well, unless you really are a Slytherin, and in that case, mistakenly being put in Hufflepuff might be a death sentence. lol. ^^
[identity profile] flightsofwhimsy.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 03:58 pm (UTC)
My best friends are all very different. Hufflepuffs can be the best friends you ever had, and Ravenclaws can be wise beyond their years. Hufflepuffs and Ravenclaws are useful to have around, and they shouldn't be treated like they're inferior to the rest. I'm proud to be a Hufflepuff, and other people should be too.
[identity profile] ainu-laire.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 04:24 pm (UTC)
I hope that she does put more emphasis on the other two houses in her next book... or maybe show that not all Slytherins are 'evil'. Like, show a Death Eater who had a kid in Ravenclaw or something. Or show a good ministry worker who was in Slytherin. But I personally would love to see more emphasis on these houses... and HOW Cho got into Ravenclaw too...

Laire
Gryffindor House
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[identity profile] haunt-yer-ghost.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 04:55 pm (UTC)
I think she tried to put more emphasis on those houses by placing Cedric and Cho in Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw..but I guess that's still not enough. I never realized how bad all this 'fake house members' deal was getting..I myself have only seen two people trying rather obnoxiously to get into Slytherin. =/ But then again, there's always the fact that I don't read through the applications too thoroughly * feels ashamed*

aLi // gryffindor
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 04:58 pm (UTC)
I never realized how bad all this 'fake house members' deal was getting..I myself have only seen two people trying rather obnoxiously to get into Slytherin. =/ But then again, there's always the fact that I don't read through the applications too thoroughly.

I wasn't really referring to the application sorting we do at [livejournal.com profile] hogwartshouses. I think those fakes are even easier to spot. I meant in general, 'real' life, etc.
Yeah, I'm glad there is a little more attention on Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff, but it's still very easy to see where JK's biases are.
[identity profile] haunt-yer-ghost.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 05:02 pm (UTC)
hah! I knew that. *feels rather dumb*. Well then, I'm a bit lost with sorting people in real life..never done it and don't know how to.
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 05:24 pm (UTC)
lol... well, I base it off what people tell me, and sometimes I "sort" those I know well enough to place.
[identity profile] caustique.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 04:59 pm (UTC)
I actually didn't think I had any Gryffindor traits.

At first I loathed the thought of being a Gryff, somewhat because of what you said, how everyone wanted to be one.

But re-reading my application, I realized I had a lot more Gryffindor traits than I originally thought, and now I'm proud to be in the red and gold house.

What bugs me though, is it seems whenever people see the words "I'd fight for my friends" they automatically assume Gryffindor, which sometimes isn't the truth. We have so many people in our house, I think, that have greater Hufflepuff traits, or Slytherin traits, or even Ravenclaw traits. But they're always overlooked when someone says they'd stand up for something they love. And that annoys me, because wouldn't most anyone stand up for something they love and cherish? Wouldn't most anyone choose to die for the people they've lived with and loved for so long? So sometimes, shouldn't we read past that and dig deeper into the true nature of a person, before automatically assigning them to the "braver house" simply because they would have their friends' backs in a fight?

I think everyone has some sort of bravery. Someone said before that most everyone can connect with Gryffindor and its "hero" stereotypes because everyone has a bit of a hero in them. But I think Gryff is a house for those with more of a hero, more of a passion, and more of a headstrong personality than most. I think you have to have a certain drive in you, that some people, even when they are "brave," don't have.

And it bugs me that so many people are getting sorted into the red and gold house, simply because they have the standard bit of bravery that most everyone has.

Its simply that people have gotten lazy with reading all of the application, and they just skip over it. And too many times they jump to the conclusion that someone is "brave" and "daring," which would obviously make them a novel Gryffindor.

But then my question is, wasn't Cedric Diggory somewhat brave? Isn't Luna, as weird and quirky as she is, somewhat brave? Isn't Draco brave enough to risk his life believing in "purebloods only?"

So shouldn't we go by something a little more detailed than just, "Oh, you're brave. Definitely Gryffindor."

That's my opinion at least.

Sorry for the long bitchy comment. :-P

.Caitlyn. .Gryffindor.
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 05:22 pm (UTC)
I agree. Bravery isn't only a Gryffindor trait, but neither are many of the traits! The sorting thing that bugs be the most lately is the idea of "arrogance." Anytime someone seems to have a hint of arrogance to their answer, suddenly that makes them a Gryffindor. WTF?!
[identity profile] toasteraffair.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 06:37 pm (UTC)
I don't think that arrogance is a Gryffindor trait but I think I can understand where it comes from. I think it comes from Harry and that people associate his traits with Gryffindor even though he isn't 100% Gryffindor. I love Harry, but he is very arrogant. It is ridiculous, though, to think that only Gryffindors are arrogant. Everyone, no matter what house you are in, is arrogant at one time or another...

Sorry, that doesn't really make sense..

-Sarah, Hufflepuff
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 07:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, just because certain house members might be arrogant doesn't make the whole house so. Arrogance is something that doesn't belong to one house in particular. To be honest, I see more arrogance in Slytherin. According to Merriam-Websters dictionary, arrogance implies a claiming for oneself of more consideration or importance than is warranted. Synonyms: haughty - suggests a consciousness of superior birth or position, disdainful - mean showing scorn for inferiors, lordly - implies pomposity or an arrogant display of power, insolent - implies contemptuous haughtiness, overbearing - suggests a tyrannical manner or an intolerable insolence, supercilious - implies a cool, patronizing haughtiness, and disdainful - suggests a more active and openly scornful superciliousness.
[identity profile] sacred-tide.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 05:04 pm (UTC)
**applauds**

So well put :)

But I don't understand the thing about merchandise, though. I'm not a Gryffindor, yes, but I admire the Gryffindor characters and traits -- and my favorite characters are mostly in Gryffindor -- so why shouldn't I buy Gryffindor merchandise? Just buying things doesn't mean that that person really believes that they're part of that House.

And a lot of people love Gryffindor House because they represent the heroes. Everyone (mostly) feels some attachment and affinity with heroes.

~Olivia~
Ravenclaw
[identity profile] ur-xgrlfriend.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 07:00 pm (UTC)
Good point. I guess I just approach buying merchandise differently than you do. I don't own a thing from another house. I wouldn't. I buy Gryffindor because I am Gryffindor, not because any of my favorite characters are.
[identity profile] sacred-tide.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 09:45 pm (UTC)
Too true. ^.^

~Olivia~
Ravenclaw
[identity profile] dorkage.livejournal.com on July 17th, 2004 07:49 pm (UTC)
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[identity profile] nightshadow-15.livejournal.com on August 7th, 2004 03:29 pm (UTC)
i agree with the whole merchandise thing. i'm (everywhere else, not sorted here yet) a ravenclaw, and i only buy ravenclaw merchandise, but it is so underrepresented that its difficult not to buy other houses in trying to build a good hp collection.
as for characters, we all seem to doubt why certain characters were placed in ravenclaw or hufflepuff, but those in gryffindor or slytherin seem to fit better, and we rarely question them (tho i'm still a little iffy on hermione (ravenclaw) and ron (hufflepuff)). perhaps that doubt in the books has carried over to the readers, and brought those houses down in their eyes.
>nightShadow
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