02 October 2004 @ 04:37 pm
i had to.  
Alright, I've been reading everyone's theory on what will happen to Harry and Voldemort in the next two books, and I felt like I should post a logical idea. I put it behind a lj-cut because I'm suppose to believe that some of you people still haven't gotten around to reading the 5th book.



Okay, so let's think about the most important and basic idea. JKR is writting CHILDREN'S books. These books are aimed at kids at a much younger age than we are. In all children's books, evil is ALWAYS overcome by good. Good always wins, it never loses. Kids are taught at a very early age that good will always beat evil, it trys to teach kids to always be good and behave. If kids were to read books where evil overcomes the good in the world, children wouldn't behave or doing anything that they're told. Kids,and us now, wouldn't have hope if all we read when we were little is that the world is evil and no matter how good and brave you are, you're going to lose.

So, put this to Harry Potter. In the 5 books we've read so far, good has overcome the evil. Everytime Voldemort(evil) has attempted to come back, his plans were thwarted by Harry and his friends(goodness). How tramatizing would it be for a child reading these books to have his HERO killed in the end by one of the most evil people? Yes, there is the prophecy at the end of book 5, that suggest that Harry will be killed, but he won't be. We, here at Hogsmeade, are the older HP readers, and we over analyze these books way too much. The prophecy is there to scare the younger children, to make them think a little bit more, to scare them a wee bit, but they know that their hero of the past 5 books will not die. JKR doesn't have a black heart, she wouldn't do that.

And yes, I know Sirius died and I know it was sad, but is that really the end of the world? He wasn't a major character, and for most of book 3, we hated him because we thought he was the one that betrayed James and Lily, and was now trying to harm our little Harry. The point is that JKR knows what she's doing. She's only killed off characters that were insignificant, but we are okay with it, because they'll come back to help us or they'll make us feel better. If you don't understand that, I'm talking about when Diggory dies in book 4, you were shocked at first, but because he came back through Harry's wand, he calmed us down and there was resolution in his death. The same will happen with Black. He'll come back and we'll have our resolution. Okay, so the point I'm making out of this paragraph is that JKR knows what she's doing. She knows that it's hard for kids to cope with death. She had to make sure that we were okay with Diggory's death, even though he wasn't a big character at all. But, to kill off Harry Potter, our hero, would be heartbreaking. It would be horrible, and there is no absolute way the get resolution from your favorite character dying, especially at a young age. And, if Voldemort dies, then we'd all be okay with it, because he's an evil person, and kids just think he deserved it. They wouldn't cry over him.

I know I wrote a lot, and I'm sorry if it doesn't make sense. I wrote it rather quickly. Let me know what y'all think.



-Jerrica . Ravenclaw
 
 
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[identity profile] dsillusndbtrfly.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 03:42 pm (UTC)
I COMPLETELY AGREE! That is the point I try to make to people, but many people do not seem to grasp it. It is children's fiction and good does always overcome evil. But also, even in older adult books, I'm not sure if the author could get away with killing a hero such as Harry. But Definitely NOT in Children's fiction. There is NO WAY that children around the world would be as happy with the Harry Potter series if Harry died in the end. I don't think Parents would be as happy with their children reading the books if Harry died in the end.

Kudos to you for stating it just perfectly.

-Audra, Gryffindor
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[identity profile] vagabondlivvy.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 03:46 pm (UTC)
I completely agree. I would think that many children would be heart-broken if their hero died.

I work at a store that sells the books. When the fifth one was released, kids were lined up outside the front door in full costumes. The children that read these books don't dress up like Voldemort or Dementors; they dress up like Harry and Hermione- the "good" characters.

Yes, as adults, we tend to over-analyze the stories because that is how the mature and intelligent reader is supposed to respond. A lot of the series involves mature themes (discrimination, hate, murder, etc...), but J.K. purposely wrote them in such a way that the average child would comprehend.

Even though I am an adult, I want to see good triumph over evil. That is just how our world works.


VagabondLivvy
Ravenclaw
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[identity profile] lonly-girl.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 04:20 pm (UTC)
I guess we just have to wait another year and a half and see.
~*~RITA~*~ Gryffindork
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[identity profile] nickeldeuce.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 04:42 pm (UTC)
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[identity profile] kelleypen.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 04:54 pm (UTC)
AMEN!

If JKR killed off Harry at the end of 7, the moaning and screaming would be deafening and she could never be seen publicly again.


Kelley, Gryffindor
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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_allshallfade/ on October 2nd, 2004 06:07 pm (UTC)
*sigh* You're probably right. I still think it would be the best thing ever if the last chapter of book 7 was "The Boy Who Died", though. :ox

And YES it was the end of the world when Sirius "died". He might not have been a major character, but he was still my favorite. And I'm still convinced he's alive anyway. *denial*

--Michelle, Slytherin, Mod, TODIEFOR
[identity profile] omfgdidusayporn.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 11:40 am (UTC)
"The Boy Who Died" lmao.

*pat, pat* It happens to the best of us. (::Is convinced also that she'll bring him back::)

-Ariel, Ravenclaw
[identity profile] lonly-girl.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 01:46 pm (UTC)
In sirius Denial
~*~RITA~*~ Gryffindork
[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_allshallfade/ on October 3rd, 2004 02:41 pm (UTC)
Wouldn't "The Boy Who Died" be the best ever?!

Yay, another "Sirius Lives!" believer. =D

--Michelle, Slytherin, Mod, TODIEFOR
[identity profile] omfgdidusayporn.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 02:52 pm (UTC)
Haha, yes, yes it would be.

I've heard things like it was a red light, and not a green, and therefore he's alive. I intended to re-read it to verify this, but I just re-did my room so everything's in boxes.. and homework's like, "No. I don't think so." Have you heard that/ know it's bs?
[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_allshallfade/ on October 3rd, 2004 03:01 pm (UTC)
Sirius wasn't hit by a green light. He was hit by a stunning spell, I believe, and fell through the ever-mysterious veil. And, to me, falling through a veil does NOT=dead. I just refuse to believe it.
[identity profile] omfgdidusayporn.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 03:11 pm (UTC)
Well, yes, red=stun. :x Yes, I can't imagine why someone would die just by falling behind the veil.. I think she's gunna bring him out. :3
[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_allshallfade/ on October 3rd, 2004 03:12 pm (UTC)
Yep, I think so too.
beccastareyes[personal profile] beccastareyes on October 2nd, 2004 06:41 pm (UTC)
I don't know. Some of the kids books I read in grade school featured characters dying -- especially all those damned animal books.

Anyways, I remember a story about a science fiction author, Robert Heinlein. He wrote a book, Podkayne of Mars intended for younger readers. In the last chapter, he wanted tokill the title character, basically to make a point that going through life minding one's own business and hoping things will work out for the best can get you bloody killed. He alsow anted to hint that her death would shock her brohter (who was on the path to sociopathism) into being a decent human being. The editors wouldn't let him, despite the fact he had positioned her at the edge of a nuclear blast on Venus. Instead, he was asked to write an ending with the hero in a coma.

After Heinlein's death, a new edition was put out that featured both endings and letters from fans examinign whether or not Poddy should have died.

I don't know where I'm going with this, to be honest.

Becca, Hufflepuff
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[identity profile] shiroukotori.livejournal.com on October 2nd, 2004 07:46 pm (UTC)
I certainly don't think Harry's going to die, but, as JK said she didn't write them for children, who knows. The woman is a wily, wily creature.

If we look at children's tales now, good always triumphs over evil, but if you look at old school children's stories (ala the original Grims Brothers Fairy Tales, etc.), that isn't always the case. I read the original versions of Cinderella and The Little Mermaid and GOOD LORD. The step sisters cut their own toes off and I think might get pecked to death by birds, if we're going for the gore factor. Also, in The Little Mermaid, the Prince doesn't end up loving her (he marries another woman) and she dies and turns into seafoam. Her best case scenario is to wait out a 200 year sentence as a nothingness spirit by making kids happy, but she'll more likely be trapped forever as a soulless nothing, because every tear a child cries adds 2 more years to her sentence. Thats definately not a win for her there.

Then there's the story called "The Red Shoes" where the young girl wants dancing shoes for the ball and....the shoes rip her feet off and dance away at the end. Ouch.

Anyone ever read "Watership Down"? The story about the bunnies who get horribley killed and maimed as they're looking for a new home? That movie, a cartoon KIDS MOVIE, still traumatizes me. Especially the part where all the bunnies suffocate each other and die in their hole at the beginning while the screen flashes and the bunnies scream. *shudder*

I don't think Harry is going to die, but I have no doubt that the story is going to get UGLY.

- Bri//Ravenclaw
[identity profile] saccarineayako.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 08:11 am (UTC)
The step sisters cut their own toes off and I think might get pecked to death by birds, if we're going for the gore factor.

One cuts off their heel, the other cuts off her toe. Their eyes are pecked out by birds. At the wedding reception, her stepmother has red-hot iron shoes welded to her feet, and she is forced to dance to death. Also, with the little mermaid, after she becomes human, every step she takes is agony... I believe the phrase is something like 1,000 knives being jabbed into her feet? And don't forget the 14-yr old Rapunzel, who's forced to wander the desert with her twins, begotten from her prince before he was tossed out of her tower onto thorns which gouged out HIS eyes...

I think she might kill off Harry for 2 reasons. 1 - if she doesn't, she will be pestered about the possibility of book 8 until the day she dies, and 2 - If Harry saves the world and is the most famous wizard evar, what the heck does he do after the fact? Being a regular ol' auror, the youngest minister of magic or the new headmaster of Hogwarts (because they'll need one because Dumbledore is biting it!)... nothing will compare to his former glory as an adolescent... sort of like the high school quarterback who knocks up the head cheerleader at prom, only far worse.

Anna - Ravenclaw
[identity profile] noahismyidol.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 09:11 am (UTC)
It's true about book 8, but then again, she might let him live so there's always the chance that she could write book 8 if she felt like it. And think about it this way, if he dies, they'll be mass chaos asking her to write book 8 where Harry comes back. lol.

[identity profile] noahismyidol.livejournal.com on October 3rd, 2004 09:08 am (UTC)
I do remember the original Cinderella, I remember one of the sisters cutting off her heal to make it fit in the shoe. I did read Watership Down, it's one of my favorite books actually. But, I read it in 8th grade, so it wasn't quite as traumatizing as it could have been.