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05 November 2006 @ 08:11 pm
Fate of the Weasley Clan  
There has been a great deal of talk and speculation as to what the 7th book will bring us. Naturally we all want our favorite to survive (JKR would never kill off Ron)... see I'm just as bad as everyone else.

In an earlier post the topic of the Weasley family was brought up and that got me thinking.


OK, to start out, I really do think the trio will survive. I don't expect them to come out of it unscathed, but I do expect each of them to be scarred/crippled in some way, either emotionally or physically.

I do think Ron will be the worst with physical damage. I could see him coming out of the war handicapped or blinded, maybe even unable to perform magic. Can a wizard who has lost their wand hand still cast a spell?

I do expect one of the Weasley children to be killed by Voldemorte, or his followers. It was brought up that one of the twins would be killed, which would be an interesting way to go, especially with the survivors guilt of the other. My personal guess is that it will be Percy (Sorry all you Percy fans).

What most people are thinking is that the Molly's Boggart scene in the Order of the Phoenix is a prediction that the Weasley children will be decimated in the war. But here is my take on it...

The Weasley's, Harry and Hermione are all captured by the Death Eaters. In a final moment Percy apologizes for being a complete ass, he asks Molly to forgive him. In the ultimate cruelty, Voldemorte allows the scene to play out before executing Percy. At this point Molly reaches her breaking point; the Dark Lord is responsible for the death of her 2 brothers, Bill was injured fighting his followers, he has killed her son Percy and he plans to kill the rest of her children, her husband and her as well. In a Lily Potter-esque move Molly sacrifices herself in order to protect her loved ones, which allows them to destroy Voldemorte and the Death Eaters.

My thought here is, she has nothing else to lose. Voldemorte is about to take everything away from her. Plus I think too many underestimate Molly, thinking of her as just a house-witch. I think Molly is a very powerful witch, but she used her powers to raise a large family. Lets also remember that she is a member of the Order.

This would also be a huge emotional blow to the Weasleys and their extended family. Could Arthur survive without Molly? Who would fill the place of the Weasley Matriarch? Fleur? Ginny? Hermione?

So that is my thoughts on book 7 and the Weasleys. I could be right on, I could be totally off. The only one who knows for sure is JKR and she isn't telling us, yet. Look forward to hearing your ideas.

Vince - Hufflepuff
 
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[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:31 am (UTC)
Thats a very good theory, I enjoyed reading that :)

But I'm still convinced that Percy will commit suicide. I have already written it here (http://community.livejournal.com/hogsmeadewkends/115463.html?thread=3198215#t3198215) but I'll post it again:

He will end up committing suicide.
The shame is too great and he cannot seem to forgive himself for being so proud, and so condescending towards his family. His parents love him and try to make amends but Percy won’t let himself. He doesn't hate Bill or Charlie, but he does hate the twins. He can’t find it in himself to be happy for their successful business even when he knows he should be.
He's also angry with Ron, who not only was right, but is the best friend of the very person whom he feels is the catalyst for ruining his life. Ginny is too young and too much like the twins; Percy still knows she's a different person from the boys and thus is indifferent to her, but he will never trust her again.
He used to be proud of Hermione, but her being Harry's best friend and Ron's gf/fiance makes him incredibly disappointed in her even though he knows he has no right to be.

Ron will sacrifice himself for the 'greater cause', which will send Percy into a terrible wave of depression that will ultimately end with him killing himself and a very simple and clean way (slitting the wrist in the tub, hanging, potion, stuff like that). He feels guilty for not making amends with his brother before Ron died, he feels terrible for still not being able to swallow his pride, and most importantly he feels that he should have died, not Ron.

I dont know if Rowling wants to touch appon suicide. I personally don't see how Percy wont take his life no matter what happens - even if its indirectly as a 'sacrifice', he's going to die and its going to be his own decision.

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] boley.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 03:03 am (UTC)
I dont think that JKR would bring suicide into a children's book series. I know that there is murder, torture, and other very bad things in the books, but I just couldnt see her doing something like that. I could see maybe Percy "running away" and not coming back, but a physical description or allusion to suicide in the books is highly unlikely in my view.

That is a very good theory though...I could see him being overwhelmed with the grief that he has truly caused, and being unable to really be much of a help in most of book 7.

Just my thoughts

Boley//Gryffindor
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 06:26 am (UTC)
Im not sure she'll add suicide either, and I doubt even more that she'll go into any graphics if she does decide to encorperate it. If it is put it it'll probably just be a small mention of Percy taking his own life and a vague refrence to how.

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] daddybear716.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
Scholastic, without a doubt, will not let Rowling have one of her characters commit suicide. I just don't see that happening. The publishers had her clean up Ron's language, as she said she always saw him as the foul-mouthed type who always cussed. I can see Percy being killed, but not taking his own life.
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 06:34 am (UTC)
Why can't you see him taking his own life? [appart from what she can and cannot publish]

He devoted his entire being to his view of things, his superiors view of things, and even went so far as to turn his back on his only family! The only people who ever loved him unconditionally and he not only turned his back on them, but put everything he stands for on the line for this theory that was later proved to be wrong.

In the 6th book he doesn't come back to the family even when it turns out he was wrong. He is to the breaking-point with shame for his actions and opinions and he wont better his life - nor his family's life - by admiting he was wrong. Its not like his family would judge him, this is completely an inner battle and he cant come to grips with. Its taken over him completely, he now lives this shame thats so big he can't get out of it because he knows he'll have to look at everything he's done as an independant adult and acnowledge that its not only been 'completely wrong', but 'harmful' for EVERYONE.

This is such an amazing level of shame. If he didnt come back to his family in the 6th book I cannot see him being able to do it in the 7th book. I think he'd rather die than admit he was that wrong, ask others to forgive him (even though they do, its the pressure), and most importantly: forgive himself.

Suan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:06 pm (UTC)
Are you sure that his family means that much to him? He never seemed that much attached to them in my opinion. Would it all really hit him that hard? I mean, sure it would affect him, but suicide? Shame? I can't see that.


Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
Are you sure that his family means that much to him?

Thats the point!
His family doesnt mean that much to him. He always thought himself above them. He devoted his entire life to turning his back on them and showing them up. Then it turns out that he was wrong. WRONG!

And the fact that his family loves him and forgives him doesnt make it easier for him to forgive himself because he always felt he should be above what they do.

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 05:36 am (UTC)
But does he really need to forgive himself if he doesn't really care that much about his family or their opinion? I mean, yes, it was a mistake and he may feel stupid, but is forgiveness what he needs? Perhaps he needs to just lick his wounds and start again and do it right this time? Life is about disappointments. Percy seems too strong to let one crumble him.

Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, talk about suicide is bad in music already, so I can see it viewed as something worse in children's books. And I can't really see it in Percy's character. He's stronger than that. He could leave his family behind for what he felt was right for him, so I doubt him being wrong (?) is enough to get him to crumble that way. It's a blow, yes, but it's not the end of the world.


Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC)
he could leave his family behind for what he felt was right for him

I think that supports my opinion. He put his entire being into this theory of his that not only was proven wrong, but what he ran away from was right. That decision is going to hang over him all the time in everything he does.

He was strong to leave, but I dont think he believes that 'strength' as the best characteristic to have; he puts marrit in 'being right' and thus 'being better', in the end he was VERY wrong on both accounts.

Now I doubt that this alone would drive him to sucide. He didn't in book so I dont see that being an issue in book 7.
Thats where the war comes in. It would be after the death of one of the Weasleys. The shame with guilt and pitty and feeling terrible for ignoring his family up until the death of someone.

I cant see him swallowing his pride and going to the funeral. Even if he does admit he was wrong in some heroic event (such as sacrificing himself) he probably doesn't want to live to see the entire delema sink in and have to face the people who were right all along. Admiting he was wrong is one thing; having to look them in the eye afterwards is quite another.

Sudan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
Yeah, it will. Decisions of that scale always do, no matter how things go.

I'm still not sure that he'd kill himself just because someone in his family died. I mean, Arthur was seriously hurt before and he didn't go to see him; he was really trying to distance himself of them. I just don't think that his connection to them is strong enough to have him kill himself because of them. *shrug*

I can't see him going to a funeral, either, except perhaps if he can look from far away without being seen.

Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] claw-prefects.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:56 am (UTC)
Can a wizard who has lost their wand hand still cast a spell?

I'm going to have to say yes. Why, well.... it's just like writing. If you lose one hand temporarily or permanantly, you can learn how to do what you did with your "writing hand" (for the sake of the argument, here) with your opposite hand.

I believe that this also includes the proper "swish and flick" motions that accompany each spell. Would it be difficult? Heck, yeah! Could it be done? Most likely. Is it impossible? I think not. Just because you lose a hand doesn't mean you lose all of the magic in your body. (Matter of fact, I'm not even sure how *that* could even happen.)

As to what happens to the Weasley Clan, I am currently unsure. I'd love for Percy to get his head out of his butt, but who knows? Many of us believe he's too stubborn or too far gone to do that. And naturally, he is most likely many peoples' person of preferred choice to kick the bucket. I do believe, however, that Arthur could survive without Molly. Would he be as happy? Of course not.. at least perhaps not right away. But if Ginny is still alive, then there's some kind of hope for him, I believe. (Being the only daughter and all...)

However, one person dies. No matter which Weasley it may be, it's still gonna' hurt.

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[identity profile] the-nikkie.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 02:20 am (UTC)
doesn't mean you lose all of the magic in your body. (Matter of fact, I'm not even sure how *that* could even happen.)

I'm sure the Ministry has a spell or something that revokes your magic. Or at least they have a way of monitoring it so your use is limited. Hagrid, for example, before he was allowed to teach etc wasn't supposed to do magic (but did anyway)and I'm pretty sure what he was able to do was very limited.

Also, the prisoners in Azkaban (sorry about the spelling) arn't able to do magic either (as far as I know) or else they'd be able to escape

There are also the underage wizard restrictions so the ministry is obviously able to monitor magic use.

Nikkie // Gryffindor
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[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)
That's what I've thought. Also, it puzzles me that he can use his wand when it was cut in half, at least for lighting the fire etc, considering the problems Ron had with his when it snapped...

But are there really restrictions in place, or is it the combination of not having a wand and the Dementors that stops them? I mean, Sirius could change into his animagus form - doesn't that require the use of magic?

Which fic was that?

Delfeus / Slytherin
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[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 05:43 pm (UTC)
Thanks! *bookmarks* I like slash and blood, so no problems there!

Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:10 pm (UTC)
I agree about that. Also, there's wandless magic; does it require the use of a certain hand? Would either do? I'm not sure that accidental magic in children should be brought into this, as it's not controlled, but at least in the Dementor scene with Dudley Harry did some wandless magic.


Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] the-nikkie.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 02:10 am (UTC)
I'm almost certain that one (or both) of the Weasly twins will die. I think that they would most likely do anything for Harry after he helped them with the shop.

As for Molly dying, I'm not too sure. Your theory does make sense but, although she's an important character, I don't think she's vital. Especially after JKR approved her not making an appearance in the last movie (well, I THINK it was approved)

As for the Percy committing suicide, I'm not too sure. I think that he's going to have to make a decision as to which side to join but in the end I think he'll end up re-joining his family (especially after the death of Dumbledor) In the end I think he'll end up being killed by the death eaters.

I also think that Neville will play and EXTREMELY important roll and we'll learn more about his parent's (and his) past.
Nikkie // Gryffindor
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[identity profile] askani.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 04:58 am (UTC)
percy is a wild card. he turned his back on his family. im not sure if he can ever undo the damage there with his siblings. molly will more than likely accept him back since she was so torn up about it.

molly dying is something i havent thought about yet. im not sure how much the weasley family will matter in the next book, hopefully it will touch on bill, since he was torn up in hbp.

but i think the twins, ron and ginny will be more likely to end up dying in the last book. they seem to be the ones you see the most. and all of them would be willing to help harry.

especially ron because of the trio and i think maybe ginny, luna, and neville will play larger roles [i hope anyway] in the final book because of the da stuff.

although maybe jkr doesnt know whats going to happen yet as she said before she knew what was going to happen but now different people are going to die than what she had before. i hope she will say what she had before when the final book comes out. it would be really interestig to see how much it differed from the final product.

christy//hufflepuff
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 07:42 am (UTC)
Mhm, I want to know what she considered good theories before she finally settled on one.

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 07:40 am (UTC)
Eh? I think that Molly very clearly runs the Weasley family. It's a matriarchal system in my opinion.

I agree, at least one Weasley will die. My bet is on Ron, Molly and one or both of the twins. Someone had very good points about the names of Fred and George and I can't see all of the trio walking away. Although after Harry's Buffy-death theory I kind of could see Hermione and Ron living, although Ron getting seriously injured.

I could see Percy being killed, but I don't think that he needs to be redeemed for that. Bill, Arthur and Charlie will live, in my opinion. Bill and Arthur have gotten hurt already before, and Charlie is the most distant one of the Weasleys, so his death wouldn't be as much of an impact for the reader than if it was one of the more central ones.


Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 07:46 am (UTC)
I think we're going to get to know the older brothers in the last book and have a thoroughly build-up to one of their deaths. After all, we have a marraige to attend. :)

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 01:14 pm (UTC)
Hmm. Good point about the marriage, I forgot about that. I doubt that Bill will die, though; he's a living victim, a survivor. If one of them will die, it'll more likely be Charlie.

Is this conversation getting creepy in anyone else's opinion? XD I just listened to a two-hour lecture on Samurai suicides (harakiri/seppuku) and other suicides before that in Japan. Luckily time ran out before he went to details about how the stomach was cut open. :P Argh!


Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
Ouch. Thats a lot of suicide to go through in one day. Maybe you should ease up on this discussion? Discussing the motives behind taking ones own life is a depressing and taxing subject :(

And I agree about Bill. He's already scarred. Wonder if he'll be a warewolf...

Susan // Ravenclaw
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 05:44 am (UTC)
I think it was said that he's not, only wants raw meat or something.

And yeah, I'm out now... Hogsmeade probably closes before I'm back home anyway.

Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] jackie.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 03:15 pm (UTC)
Personally, I will not be sad to see Percy go. I know a lot of people still like him as a character, but I've not been terribly fond of him from day one. He's always been a pompous ass and I don't see that changing.

I love your theory of Molly really standing up for herself and I agree. She's really quite a strong character if you look through it all. I'm wondering how much of herself JKR put in Molly, as a mother and wife. I've always been rather fond of Molly and would love for her to survive, but I think you have a pretty solid reasoning there.

I hate speculating on book 7 because there's really no way any of us can predict what JKR is going to do, but dang it, it's such fun to read what everyone has to say! She has created such a wonderful world of imagination. :)

Jackie//Les Ravenclawes
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 09:59 pm (UTC)
It depends on the circumstances surrounding Percy's death if he dies. I could be very moved by it.

When Sirius died I had that first innitial moment of shock, then the hope that Harry would find a way to communicate with him, and then Ir ealized he was dead, his soul trapped behind a crtain or something, and that was the end of it. It wasnt an honourable or noble death. It was him rushing into battle when he was told not to, and then being killed when he wasnt paying attention. Its a real 'blah, i dont care' death in my opinion.

Susan // Ravenclaw
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[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 6th, 2006 09:19 pm (UTC)
I like the twins, but they also annoy me at times. They'd drive me crazy if I knew them in RL; I'm not big on practical jokes. They are great characters, though, and easier to take in a book.

Delfeus / Slytherin
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on October 26th, 2014 09:26 pm (UTC)
[identity profile] delfeus.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 05:45 am (UTC)
Heh, that's pretty much how I feel about it. And I love dark humor, not necessarily always the goofy kind.

Delfeus / Slytherin
[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 01:03 am (UTC)
I don't *think* Ron will die, because I don't think JKR would do that to Harry. For all she's been pretty harsh to him with getting rid of his parents, Sirius and now Dumbledore, I don't think she'd be THAT bad!

Thats an excellent point, I never thought of that. :)

Susan // Ravenclaw
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[identity profile] wee-little-me.livejournal.com on November 7th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC)
The best authors are ones that will never write the book all over again.

I suppose if Rowling were to kill Ron than she better feel the same way about the Harry Potter books or it'll just be weak of all passion.

But now you're being all convincing and I dont like it. Ron needs to die, dammit!
*now knows Ron will live*
Dam

Susan // Ravenclaw